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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: Xeon Vs. Opteron - We get down and dirty with AMDs new chip Reply with quote

Good morning campers Type

We've got a new article up, getting under the skin of the new AMD Opteron Barcelona core server processors and pitting them against an older Xeon chip, to see whether AMD have loaded their guns with the ammo required to put some holes in the up-till-recently impenetrable armour of Intel.

http://www.vadim.co.uk/articles/86/Xeon_Vs_Opteron
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor old AMD Laughing ...sorry shouldn't laugh Razz
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sorry shouldn't laugh Razz

Nooo they better put their act together soon...
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good article! Its a shame really, that AMD can't get their act together. Haven't seen anything like this before... from top performer to an absolute mess in months... that's how long it took... or rather from Athlon to Core2 as a logical upgrade step... in no time at all.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah it is a shame the competition did the consumer good with the price wars.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah it is a shame the competition did the consumer good with the price wars.


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eu wrote:
Deathwalker wrote:
Yeah it is a shame the competition did the consumer good with the price wars.


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I was saying that competition between AMD and intel helps to cut prices.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry didn't understand Embarassed . But you're right Wink , just a shame the competition is dwindling.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*pats his Xeon computer Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eu wrote:
sorry didn't understand Embarassed . But you're right Wink , just a shame the competition is dwindling.

No problem it is a shame.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stez wrote:
*pats his Xeon computer Smile


Laughing Laughing ...yep good boy..yes your friend AMD can't came out to play today...he's sick...

Does XEON won't a cracker Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stez wrote:
*pats his Xeon computer Smile


My work PC is also a Xeon... nice machine... won't pat it as it isn't mine Wink
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Xeon vs Opteron Reply with quote

I am new to this forum, so hello everyone!

Let me express my thoughs on this article.

I'm not an Intel's adept, nor AMD's, so I will say the vision of someone who uses and has experience with both platforms.

First of all, the test isn't very accurate because the processors are priced differently and also are clocked at different speeds. And buying a CPU from Ebay isn't the way companies do.

Let's move on. Applications. Traditionally, AMD Opterons are very good at FP instructions. They do this much better than Xeons. FP instructions are the base of a lot of applications, starting from banks and financial institutions and going all the way to research centres and supercomputers. These environments benefit a lot from using Opterons. Xeons, on the other hand, are better in other tasks (some sort of all rounders), so they are better used in management applications. All this works like: Opterons do the job, and Xeons manage the process.

Scalability. When moving from 2 to 4 and then to 8 processors, Opteron's total performance grows better than Xeon's. In a multi CPU environment, the agregated speed of a Opteron based cluster is equal or better than of a Xeon cluster (of comparable cost (£) or CPU speed). That's why there are a lot of Opteron based supercomputers.

In this light, I think is not totally true to say that a certain Xeon processor (2.66GHz, £296) is much better than an Opteron (2GHz, £190), because, in real life, there are a few users of a single or dual CPU configs, usually, companies use multi CPU configs, and here Opterons aren't worse than Xeons. More than that, if we would calculate the performance per £1 spent and per GHz, Opterons look much better than Xeons. Also 90% or more of the marked addressed by Xeons and Opterons are companies and data centres. Less than 10% will end up in some enthusiastic PC.

P.S. Let's not forget that Nvidia is pushing CUDA and AMD is pushing CTM technologies, so there might be some interesting movement in high performance computing soon.
Cheers,

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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Bl4ck Wizz4rd and Welcome! to the forums Hurray! Hurray!
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PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmc wrote:
Hi Bl4ck Wizz4rd and Welcome! to the forums Hurray! Hurray!


What he said.

Good post and interesting points as I work with these sort of environments.

One of the main points of AMD until now had been the power consumption and heat dissipation which is an important factor in a datacentre environment. Not only now because of the carbon footprint, that has raised awareness of this issue outside of ICT, but because:
a) greater power consumption implies bigger generators and bigger UPS capacity and both imply more plant space (n+1),
b) heat dissipation implies more cooling (n+1 as well) and more cooling requires more power...

there is a delicate balance to be achieved here. Xeons have improved on these issues and AMD hasn't exactly followed suit... floating point is an important side but, to be honest it is more important in research than Banking as a good cluster properly cooled will provide the same level of service with lower operational costs (in research as well to be honest)...

... and I had AMDs in the past and I am not a fanboy for any company as well Very Happy
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